Expected behavior

[finnp]

Hey :)

I have a few problems with the Expected Behavior section. I feel like the last bullet point is the only part I would mention here and remove the rest. Telling people how to behave specifically seems to be out of the scope of this code of conduct in general to me.

Here are things that I think are problematic with the other bullet points:

Participate in an authentic and active way. In doing so, you contribute to the health and longevity of this community.

I don't think attendees should have to be active and authentic. It's totally cool to be passive as well. For many people this is also not a choice, but a personal limit. Brian Brennan actually describes why it is okay and normal to be a lurker in this talk. Authentic on the other hand to me also doesn't carry any meaning. What is it like to be authentic?

Exercise consideration and respect in your speech and actions.

Seems ok to me, but could be used by people for tone arguments

Attempt collaboration before conflict.

There is already an issue describing what is wrong with this: #8

Refrain from demeaning, discriminatory, or harassing behavior and speech.

Totally ok, but it's covered in the unacceptable behavior section.

Be mindful of your surroundings and of your fellow participants. Alert community leaders if you notice a dangerous situation, someone in distress, or violations of this Code of Conduct, even if they seem inconsequential.

This is quite important I think.

Would love to hear your opinions on this.

[eljojo]

I'm not a big fan of creating controversial discussions, so I'll limit myself to give this opinion and if somebody wants more about my perspective please contact me individually.

While I see why tone argument's exist and why they're a negative thing, I think that if there's no mutual respect in a calm manner, proper constructive discussions cannot exist.

The way I read the geekfeminism wiki is that if you feel offended, you shouldn't limit yourself to what's socially acceptable behaviour and express your (possible) frustration or rage how you feel its best communicated.
While I think that's great in one-to-one cases, in a community set that can lead to disrespectful communication.

I believe that a Code of Conduct promotes a higher standard than that.
That's why I think it's good to have a Exercise consideration and respect in your speech and actions. section.

UPDATE: there's been cases where the code of conduct has been used against people being irrespectful while playing the tone argument card.

[PragTob]

Hi,

thanks for your input. yes it is difficult to strike a balance between too many rules and too few.

Good point about lurkers/passive behaviors!

I still think that exercising consideration is an important point, regardless of what it might be used for, in the end it's still to decide on a case by case basis (and by the organizers)

[skade]

See #138.