User posts a note with embedded media

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Original user story

1. Samantha is writing a post directed at her students about how to get started in programming Lovelace, and she had seen her friend Helen's video recently
2. Below the first paragraph, Samantha embeds Helen's video, then writes several more paragraphs on how to apply those concepts to their first homework assignment.

Original story from Jessica Tallon (@xray7224) and Christopher Allan Webber (@cwebber)

Objections or comments from voters, to be resolved:

• +0. Many social networks don't control position of embedded items, only those with more advanced editing UI. Facebook, Twitter, G+ do not do this, you only share a video/photo/etc. I do however do this on my site, but only through web interface and a more advanced editor . — Ben Roberts
• +0 -- James Snell
• +0 This can become a very complicated story very quickly (aggregation of events, mixed authorship . . . ). Even if not prioritised, this is a good story for validating any approach -- Bill Looby
• +0 Not a +1 because the video must be in a specific location within the text. -- Aaron Parecki
• +0, same concern as Aaronpk's — Pavlik elf
• +1 Well, I suppose if using HTML markup, maybe the specific location is not required. Would we be interested in making an adjustment where this is more about an attachment/enclosure? -- Christopher Webber
• +1 Still believe specific position is desirable but if unfeasible, as an attachment would be OK. -- Jessica Tallon
• +1 / -1 based on question. -- Tantek Çelik
  • +1 if video embedding is purely via user entering a URL for the video as plain text where they want it embedded, and then video is embedded automatically by the client, then yes, and I have implemented this for years on my site.
  • -1 if video embedding involves uploading the video, and then picking a specific spot for it in content. No popular network does this, definitely not core, nor needed for v1.
• +1 with the reading that the video embedded is already hosted somewhere, not uploaded as part of the post. But also would be good if you could upload your video to one server and embed it in a post on a different server simultaneously. -- Amy Guy
• +1 To the title, but the story implies unwanted restrictions. This might turn into a vector for ad insertion. --Bret Comnes

[elf-pavlik]

@xray7224 @cwebber do you see it crucial to show embedded media on specific location within the text?

[tantek]

To clarify a few +1 versions of this story:

+1 to mixed text note + video URL(s) inline in the text note, which clients (e.g. websites) may auto-embed via some embed code from where the video is already hosted. I have implemented this in Falcon (my content hosting tool) and deployed on my site tantek.com and have posted such notes e.g. http://tantek.com/2011/014/t1/wikipedia-journey-eurythmics-tronlegacy-soundtrack is a note with text with two video URLs (which my code then auto-embeds) amongst the text.

+1 to simple video upload with optional caption. I have not implemented this but I use this feature on the Instagram silo.

It's only mixing them that I would -1, since no existing service does this.

[cwebber]

The original vision for submitting this is that someone already uploaded the video as a separate activity, but they're writing a new post (or anyway, some new object) and they want to reference that media within the post. So yes, it's about referencing existing media, not about "uploading and then embedding in the post."

Does that help?

There also seems to be some disagreement about whether or not things need to be positional. We could drop the positional component, at which point this would be closer to something like enclosed media in rss/atom. If we do decide to go with something positional, an analogue might be that this is closer to "how do we do something like 'oembed' for media uploaded via the social api already to new objects being submitted via the social api. @xray7224 and I are flexible on this point; note that if we do the "positional" stuff, we probably should still do a reference back to the other media in the activity anyway.