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@JJdeGroot JJdeGroot changed the title Drafts Drafts for 2.4.6, 2.4.4, 2.5.3 Jun 4, 2025
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jha11y commented Jun 5, 2025

@JJdeGroot For https://deploy-preview-117--wcag2mobile.netlify.app/#success-criterion-2-5-3-label-in-name, should it be "the name must include most of the primary visible label but is not required to contain all presented text."?

Also, "name" in the above phrase should link to the definition like in the SC text, correct? Otherwise the other changes look good. apologies for the delayed review.

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jha11y commented Jun 11, 2025

Notes from June 11 MATF meeting Joe_Humbert summarises [#36](https://github.com//issues/36)

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Nothing from me

Apple says this about Voice Control:

Match Voice Control labels to the visible text. If the Voice Control label is different from the visible text in your app (for example, “Leave call” instead of “End call”), users may be confused.

https://developer.apple.com/help/app-store-connect/manage-app-accessibility/voice-control-accessibility-evaluation-criteria

pauljadam also mentions Apple's "Nutritional labels" - they also don't mention using just using the first word. How much of the string is required is not exactly clear

pauljadam There are a lot of inconsitency in what should be in the label. We need to be cautious around what the normative wording that we don't contradict.

rachaely What about the existing note in WCAG where the label is in the front of the name. We need to keep that somewhere

Should there be a note to say something about that Best practice being I'm important for Voice Control so they see the first word of the visible label text shown as the Name of the control when they do the Show Names command?

Jamie I appreciate the suggested change to the note, but I feel like it can be very confusing. For us to add on extra stuff we need to define what we mean as we add to confusion. We're not overwhelming people when they try to understand what we've said.

All text shown on the focussed control = the label text so all that text must be contained in the accessible name.

Jamie we need to change the phasing

There's no difference between primary visible label and presented text

Also no definition of "primary visible label" and "presented text"

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change the *phrasing

pauljadam what is a "primary visible label" - is there a secondary visible label?

ACTION: Joe_Humbert to add some notes and Jamie to contribute to improving the wording on 2.5.3

Summary:
PRs for 2.4.6 and 2.4.4 are good with the group
Group is not completely happy with drafted note for 2.5.3
Action: jamieherrera will propose and updated draft note and possible modifications to normative text

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@jha11y based on group decision, I will create a new PR for 2.4.4 and 2.4.6 to get those merged, and keep 2.5.3 in this PR.
In the future, it's probably better to create 1 PR for each issue.

@JJdeGroot JJdeGroot merged commit a23ef36 into main Jul 4, 2025
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I'm not sure what happened, but after merging #222 this PR also got auto-merged somehow. Will create a new PR for 2.5.3.

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New PR: #223

@JJdeGroot JJdeGroot deleted the drafts branch September 10, 2025 07:38
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